Episode 5

AI and the New Landscape of Application Security

AI is transforming the way organizations build and secure software. In this episode of AppSec.FM, Jerry Hoff talks with Chris Hertz, co-founder and CEO of Healer, about how AI is reshaping both development practices and attacker strategies. The discussion explores the economics of vulnerability remediation, the challenges of securing open source dependencies, and how collaboration between developers and security teams can build more resilient software.

Highlights:

• How AI is reshaping development and security.

• Why attackers are leveraging AI to scale their exploits.

• The economics of vulnerability remediation and barriers to fixing issues.

• Healer’s approach to identifying exploitable vulnerabilities.

• Guardrails for managing malicious or risky dependencies.

• The importance of collaboration between AppSec teams and developers.

• Building resilience into software as the ultimate defense.


Guest links:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopherhertz/

https://www.heeler.com/

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Jerry Hoff

For the past two decades, I’ve been on the front lines of application security, leading teams, teaching thousands of developers, and helping shape how organizations around the world defend their software. Along the way I’ve held leadership roles at Aspect Security, WhiteHat Security, Sony Electronics, and NTT, always with the same goal: making technology safer.

Today I run AppSec Training, a boutique company dedicated to transforming security education into something practical, engaging, and impactful.

And now, through AppSec.FM, I get to do what I love most: connect with the brightest minds in cybersecurity, uncover their stories, and explore how we can secure software in an era defined by AI, rapid innovation, and relentless new threats.